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Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby aphrodia81 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:48 am

Alright. I'm an infrequent PC player who's been playing PC since.. July 2008? And then, I'm on BB every once in a blue moon. :P

I'm going to the trouble of trying to revive my dying Dreamcast (and even buying a cheap used one on eBay) just so I could access the Sunset at the Secret Base quest. I downloaded the EUv2 torrent, and I made the disk. I also already own a legit copy of USv2, and I understand that those with USv2 cannot log on anymore except if they've been online once before the Japanese servers shut down? If I'm correct, then I count in the "never been online ever" camp, and so, I'm screwed? :) I don't know if it matters, but my copy of USv2 was bought around March/April 2006, and I had had my Dreamcast linked with my serial number that July. That doesn't count, does it?

My main objective in playing the Sunset quest is to get the mags that were a bit tedious to get even on BB. After getting the mags, I plan on transferring extra ones to my PC characters so that they could have them, too. I'm pretty good at navigating through a bunch of Japanese text that I can't read, so no worries for that: I've beaten Final Fantasy II for the Famicom on my NES like this, using nothing but a translation guide, remembering what the plot and story was off of when I played a translated rom. I also own Romancing SaGas 1 and 3 on my SNES, so.. yeah. I'm pretty good at not being intimidated by hiragana and kanji (too bad I can't really read it all ^^; ), with middling skills with reading katakana.

I guess my questions are:

1) Should I expect any bugs or issues if I were to transfer items obtained by a EUv2 DC character from a Japanese-only DC quest to a PC character who plays primarily in English?

2) Again, I'm screwed, right? :(

Thanks for your time. :)
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby littlesthobo » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:46 pm

Ok not sure if I've got you 100% in what your asking but I'll try to answer what I think you are asking :P

As far as I'm aware there is no current way to play Sunset Secret base on the DC because I'm positive it was only available to play on the official Sega servers and then you had to change your language to JP which I figure from your post you know anyway.

Anyhow on to your other question about transfering the mags from your DC to PC...I myself have done this ( I played on the Sega server right up till it closed ) I think I had completed that quest on all 8 of my DC chars lol...but yeah I tranfered a few of those mags to raise up with my PC V2 chars and have just finnished maxing one out an all power KAPU-KAPU and have a CHU-CHU at 180 odd so I can confirm it's OK to transfer over to the PC version without problems. Hope this helps ;)
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby aphrodia81 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:08 pm

littlesthobo wrote:Ok not sure if I've got you 100% in what your asking but I'll try to answer what I think you are asking :P

As far as I'm aware there is no current way to play Sunset Secret base on the DC because I'm positive it was only available to play on the official Sega servers and then you had to change your language to JP which I figure from your post you know anyway.


Uwah. D:

I thought there would've been a way, and I only got that idea from this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1271

If there is no real way, then I guess the only way to get those mags is to accept dupes and hacked versions of them? :(

Anyhow on to your other question about transfering the mags from your DC to PC...I myself have done this ( I played on the Sega server right up till it closed ) I think I had completed that quest on all 8 of my DC chars lol...but yeah I tranfered a few of those mags to raise up with my PC V2 chars and have just finnished maxing one out an all power KAPU-KAPU and have a CHU-CHU at 180 odd so I can confirm it's OK to transfer over to the PC version without problems. Hope this helps ;)


Ah, alright. Yeah, I was worried that there might be bugs for some reason. o.O Do the mags' descriptions read in Japanese? Sounds like a silly question, but like how I still use an old client (the original Sega installer) to play BB, and how some JP items still read in Japanese for me on there, should I expect Japanese DC items to read in Japanese on my DC and PC?

But in any case, that does help. Thank you. :)
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby moopthehedgehog » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:38 pm

you can't go online with usv2 anymore, only euv2...

to get sunset at the secret base, you need to change the EUv2 language to japanese and go to the dlq ship, it's the quest with a description that includes a 10 and a 30 in it.

1) no, I've done it

2) no, usv2 can't go online anymore, period. EUv2 can play your usv2 characters.
I think your information is all screwy here so let me straighten it out:

--the only thing about using usv2 online before sega shut down their servers is that if you HAVE gone online with USv2 on OFFICIAL servers, then you CAN'T make new characters.

--If you have a usv2 serial number in your dreamcast (and also (optional) a usv1 serial), that doesn't matter. You can have up to 3 serial numbers, conditionally. If you have, like me, a usv1 serial and usv2 serial, then you can only then use a serial from euv2 or jpv2. Simply, if you have usv1 and usv2, you CAN use euv2, but nothing else besides those 3 Same deal if you only have usv2, except you get that and any 2 other versions of DC pso.

3) playing a japanese quest, once you get the items, has no effect on anything. you can ONLY play it with the japanese language setting on EUv2, only. Once you get the 9 or so items from it, transfer the items in w/e language you want, but remember to delete the quest data (only playable once per character, and it shows up all weird if you try to go to download quests in another language)

That should cover about everything.
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby littlesthobo » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:12 pm

Wow I had no idea that Sunset was available to DL on Schthack... If I'd have known that I'd have kept those mags on my DC chars and just played the quest again on the PC :D Oh well at least I know for future reference...thanks Moop for that info ;)

Oh and the item descriptions read in English even though you change it to JP to get the mags and stuff.
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby aphrodia81 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:21 pm

moopthehedgehog wrote:you can't go online with usv2 anymore, only euv2...

to get sunset at the secret base, you need to change the EUv2 language to japanese and go to the dlq ship, it's the quest with a description that includes a 10 and a 30 in it.

1) no, I've done it


Oh, alright.

2) no, usv2 can't go online anymore, period. EUv2 can play your usv2 characters.
I think your information is all screwy here so let me straighten it out:

--the only thing about using usv2 online before sega shut down their servers is that if you HAVE gone online with USv2 on OFFICIAL servers, then you CAN'T make new characters.

--If you have a usv2 serial number in your dreamcast (and also (optional) a usv1 serial), that doesn't matter. You can have up to 3 serial numbers, conditionally. If you have, like me, a usv1 serial and usv2 serial, then you can only then use a serial from euv2 or jpv2. Simply, if you have usv1 and usv2, you CAN use euv2, but nothing else besides those 3 Same deal if you only have usv2, except you get that and any 2 other versions of DC pso.


Alright, two new questions, then: does this mean that I have to get a shared serial, or can I get a new one from Schthack? Do I have to flash-erase my Dreamcast for any new serial, if need be? I'd prefer to have my own serial number, if possible, since I already have one for PC.

Also, if by some miracle, I get my own new legitimate copy of EUv2 (I've found two on sale so far, the best copy, it seems, selling from Germany on eBay Switzerland :wacko: ), do those come with serial numbers I can then use to register onto Schthack? Sorry if all these questions are easily answered elsewhere. I'll look it up, regardless.

3) playing a japanese quest, once you get the items, has no effect on anything. you can ONLY play it with the japanese language setting on EUv2, only. Once you get the 9 or so items from it, transfer the items in w/e language you want, but remember to delete the quest data (only playable once per character, and it shows up all weird if you try to go to download quests in another language)

That should cover about everything.


Alright, thanks. Just verifying, since I found that there weren't a lot of FAQs on this.

littlesthobo wrote:Oh and the item descriptions read in English even though you change it to JP to get the mags and stuff.


Oh, yeah! I should've remembered that. PSO PC was Japanese to begin with, but the English language settings make it playable for us Anglophones! (DUH. D: ) Gotta love how the older versions of PSO end up being more versatile than BB, huh?
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby littlesthobo » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:34 pm

aphrodia81 wrote:
Oh, yeah! I should've remembered that. PSO PC was Japanese to begin with, but the English language settings make it playable for us Anglophones! (DUH. D: ) Gotta love how the older versions of PSO end up being more versatile than BB, huh?

Hehe yeah I play BB from time to time but one thing never changes...I always come back to DC V2 It's my spiritual home :lol: I think because my first experience with PSO was on the DC I just feel more at home playing it.
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby aphrodia81 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:00 pm

aphrodia81 wrote:
moopthehedgehog wrote:--If you have a usv2 serial number in your dreamcast (and also (optional) a usv1 serial), that doesn't matter. You can have up to 3 serial numbers, conditionally. If you have, like me, a usv1 serial and usv2 serial, then you can only then use a serial from euv2 or jpv2. Simply, if you have usv1 and usv2, you CAN use euv2, but nothing else besides those 3 Same deal if you only have usv2, except you get that and any 2 other versions of DC pso.


Alright, two new questions, then: does this mean that I have to get a shared serial, or can I get a new one from Schthack? Do I have to flash-erase my Dreamcast for any new serial, if need be? I'd prefer to have my own serial number, if possible, since I already have one for PC.

Also, if by some miracle, I get my own new legitimate copy of EUv2 (I've found two on sale so far, the best copy, it seems, selling from Germany on eBay Switzerland :wacko: ), do those come with serial numbers I can then use to register onto Schthack? Sorry if all these questions are easily answered elsewhere. I'll look it up, regardless.


Alright. No need to answer those last few questions. I've just finished reading AleronIves' FAQ for the EUv2 download. Lazy, aren't I? :)

(Don't answer that. :glare: )

Well.. Is there any way to get my own serial for DC using EUv2, regardless, or is the one provided in EUv2 Readme the only one? And if so, there will be no problems saving other people's guild cards, will there?

Sorry for all the questions.

littlesthobo wrote:Hehe yeah I play BB from time to time but one thing never changes...I always come back to DC V2 It's my spiritual home :lol: I think because my first experience with PSO was on the DC I just feel more at home playing it.


Well, I was on Sega BB for its two final years, playing from when Cronus 1 actually was maxed out every day (March 2006) to the point where there was never more than 30 people on during the week (March 2008, when it shutdown). I had some good times on there, but it took forever to adjust to the gameplay style everyone else had, where the game begins and ends with Ultimate mode, and playing at all was all about finding rares, getting with the best and most reputable team, and trading with folks. The best rare I ever found at any point was a Caduceus, so I sucked at finding rares. My friends scared me off of soloing Ultimate mode all because my main was (and is, still :D) a FOmarl, and they believed the conventional Sega BB community wisdom that all forces = support all the time, and thus, they "can't" and "shouldn't" melée, they should stay in the back always and keep everyone alive, and spam offensive techs to the end of time, which had me bored shitless, and made me not do anything harder solo than Very Hard PW3 by myself. FOmarls aren't great nukers, on V2 or BB, so nuking on Ultimate is ultimately (hah) useless, far more so on v2 than BB (and even more so on Ultimate Spaceship -- magic doesn't do SHIT there -- a nuke force is completely useless there); they were meant to be the more balanced force that could do a bit of everything without dying after two hits (at least, before the FOmar came out; then, the FOmarl just became the one who could outlast everyone without looking bishounen-ish); they're supposed to be able to solo worth a damn. So BB was fun, but I missed how relaxed and light-hearted v1 and 2 play instead. I didn't need to be a math wizard to remember all the stats of every character or every item in the entire game, I didn't need to be conservative with my mats (although I begin to see the wisdom of doing away with Hit mats -- they make mags obsolete), and I didn't have to acquire an inferiority complex for not playing a FOney (and thus, being everyone's magic pooper-scooper maid, taking care of everyone, keeping them from having to heal or buff themselves, and thus, be everyone's slave and be blamed when someone dies, and never get a hit on mobs except for J/Z -- VERY boring).

I played DC offline originally from v1 on and off for many years from 2001 on. If my Dreamcast didn't have its motor issues, I would've never discovered BB. :D I used to settle for PSO PC offline when I couldn't afford BB or PS2/PC PSU (I was on there for about 3 years in total, too), but ever since I finally got a registered serial back in July, BB just kind of suffers in comparison for me. No offline mode; I still don't like how wonky some of the drops still are here compared to Sega BB, but I understand that that can't be helped; all the offline quests are unlocked; and the over-focus the community still has upon rare items -- all of those are a big turn-off for me. Yeah, it sucks that the drop rates are so psychotic that I'll never see a Heaven Punisher for the next 5 to 10 years, but I never understood the condescension the normal weapons and armor got, anyways. Not everyone has had the luck required to get decent rares. Not everyone has the patience to 'hunt' anything. I hate hunting. I don't think the "real" game begins at Ultimate; I hate the big rush to level to lv. 80 or whichever, just so I can get killed by Bartles because I didn't bother to level a decent mag in the meantime. I hate TTFing all the goddamn day; the Endless Nightmares are more fun for me. I don't mag-farm; I don't start a new character and fret how he or she needs a "mind mag;" I grow everything from scratch unless I'm replacing a character who's had something catastrophic happen to them. And I appreciate that PSO PC gives me the choice of having unofficial patches or playing as Sega left the game before support for it ended and the servers shut down (not exactly as "intended," but close enough), and whatever is added is rather conservative than radical. BB, I understand that there's no way to choose, but FOneys seem broken enough. :lol: That's just me, though. :D

EDIT: The only thing I really miss from playing BB is Episode II, and all the stuff that comes with that. Episode IV is alright; I mean, the EXP is high, even in Normal, but I always thought the maps, music, and monsters were a bit simplistic...

PSO PC is a lot of fun: I get to have my privacy, and I get to have my Dreamcast gameplay without needing a working Dreamcast. I just wish that there were still more people to play with than with lv. 60 HUcasts with limited English wielding MKBs in Hard Mines. I mean, really? Is that necessary? I mean, who needs to cheat in a Japanese RPG? They're the easiest video game genre outside of most puzzles and kids' games. Most JRPGs just require minor hand dexterity (if you can go through OS menus at a decent pace, you can beat Final Fantasy VI -- seriously), good memory, and decent reading speed and comprehension -- cheating in them is just you being lazy. I understand trainers and such, and I understand how fun it was to use a Game Genie on the NES (where it actually made sense; those games are fucking hard) although all that did was make me wish I had the skills to not need one, (that's just me!), but no one needs a Monkey King Bar outside of Ultimate, even for brevity's sake; that's just stupid.

But, yeah.. I can go on. ^^;

To everyone else: If you're just scrolling down to skip the tl;dr text, here's the summary:

PC >> BB.

There ya go. :)
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby Aleron Ives » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:58 am

aphrodia81 wrote:Well.. Is there any way to get my own serial for DC using EUv2, regardless, or is the one provided in EUv2 Readme the only one?

Import EUv2 from somebody who's selling a complete copy on eBay.co.uk.
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby aphrodia81 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:59 pm

Aleron Ives wrote:
aphrodia81 wrote:Well.. Is there any way to get my own serial for DC using EUv2, regardless, or is the one provided in EUv2 Readme the only one?

Import EUv2 from somebody who's selling a complete copy on eBay.co.uk.


Ah, that sounds good. Thanks. :)

EDIT: (This whole venture is costing me a lot of money for a dead game. XD I've spent money on a new Dreamcast ($13) and a Web Browser disk ($3.50); and to get a decent copy of EUv2 would cost me at least $60+ (gotta love the Euro-USD exchange rate :/..) and now, I may have to pay for a dialup ISP for one month, because Shitcast doesn't seem to offer dial up as back-up for their cable internet. Oh, dear... I actually miss my old DSL service. AT&T were jerks, but at least I didn't have to go out to get decent dial up. My brother just HAD to get a few extra megs in speed. All of this for ONE quest. Why can't I just make friends? XD)
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Re: Question about mags in Sunset at the Secret Base

Postby moopthehedgehog » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:38 pm

most of the time the EUv2 imports have the serial number card in them (its under the manual on the bottom of the case (it's a weird 2 cd case, the top opens normally and the bottom opens the same way).

Only if it doesn't come with a unique serial card (it's brown and has two white strips at the bottom with the sn and ak) you should use a shared serial. no exceptions.
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